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Jade · Jun 26, 2008, 08:07 PM // 20:07

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Originally Posted by Sora of the Divine

You're probably not playing them right if you think Mesmers are useless and Monks and Dervs are mediocre.

QFT

It's been pointed out before, the game is about synergy, not about who's better then who. That's why all the armors cap out, that's why we have a level cap and that's also why we only have 8 skill on the skill bar.

This thread most definately fails.

Tyla · Jun 26, 2008, 08:12 PM // 20:12

^
That third pic is epic...

Abnormai · Jun 26, 2008, 08:14 PM // 20:14

A suitable response to this thread;

Each build (and each skills) effectiveness is determined by the player.

Therefore, your own personal skill towards the game has a huge impact on the build being run.

Example... Ursan is a great over-all "lolz cheat code w00t"

For those who enjoy making builds, and for those who enjoy being unique, and playing the game as their class specifically, you have to remember that each class is designed to have its role.

Each person is at a different level on different classes. Someone can be a great monk, but a horrible warrior.

I don't think it is fair to say, hey, heres the best PvE builds:

Truly, best for whom?

We can all argue that something like, oh, say, sloth hunters shot is a good skill.. or, hey, prot spirit! But, Prot spirit isnt going to do anything if your too late putting it on, dont put it on at all, or dont even know what the skill does.

~Angie

The Arching Healer · Jun 26, 2008, 08:16 PM // 20:16

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Dervish: None

[wounding strike]

12 charsssssssssssss

Targren · Jun 26, 2008, 08:18 PM // 20:18

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Originally Posted by Sab

While you can argue specifics, some classes are more powerful than others because the devs are very bad at balancing.

That's kind of true... I almost choked on my cigarette when I read that the most popular and wanted tank in the game...

was a squishy caster. O_O

Turbobusa · Jun 26, 2008, 08:19 PM // 20:19

Necros get the cookie for me.
Minions, hexes, discord,soul reaping.
Booya.

Monks are nice smiters tho nothings nearly as powerfull.
mesmers... have nice PvE skills...
Eles spam there damage spells and everything and their mother's dead. Plus they have ether renewal.
Paras are OP in every way
Rits are versatile but nothing TOO powerfull either.
Sins... moebius+DB
Warriors, DS+SY
Rangers, I wouldn't know... maybe armor + Daze + Dshot.
Dervish, mysticism+scythe...

They all have abuses, just to a lower extend for some

Gregslot · Jun 26, 2008, 08:19 PM // 20:19

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Originally Posted by Tyla

You can use both Cry of Pain and Ether Nightmare on any profession without a downfall as it isn't linked to an attribute. As for Signet of Illusions, you wouldn't be needing that from 8-10 Sunspear rank, and it only adds miniscule damage.

You are forggeting that Signet of Illusions at 16 makes all title track skills go to rank 11, you can get summons at lvl 21. And not every decent players have alliance rank at maximum (making -8 degen deadly).
And seriously, what profession would use a 3 second cast that does degen? and the area in incredible!
You are not seeing the versatility of this skill.
Try it some time.

Tyla · Jun 26, 2008, 08:52 PM // 20:52

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I don't have it at maximum either.

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And seriously, what profession would use a 3 second cast that does degen? and the area in incredible!

This confuses me. First you say "What profession would use it" then say "The area is incredible".

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Try it some time.

I did, and I'm not impressed. I would easily take a different elite over it, such as Power Block, Assassin's Promise etc...

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You are not seeing the versatility of this skill.

It just gives you 11 in a grindable attribute. The only way this skill would make an appearance on my bar is if I'm planning on running 3+ attributes which require choice of attribution.

Infectious · Jun 26, 2008, 09:00 PM // 21:00

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Originally Posted by Rakim B

I'm pretty sure there's a monk in every party. Monks>Everything else

Also, this thread is a joke

Really? I can't remember the last time I had a monk in any of my parties?
N/Rt = ftw

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Originally Posted by Hania

You ever tried the Vengeful Spirit Bonder? 330 Ritualist, VwK/smiting skills. Can farm many places including UW HM. And what about Ritual Lord? Kinda strong. And Mesmers rock, can do anything (maybe except healing

).

Point is, why farm anywhere else when you can smash out the ectos with an A/E, or farm for holiday items outside rata sum with and A/E or E/A, E/Me.
A mesmer will never heal or prot effectivly as a monk. Yes thats right, I said NEVER

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Originally Posted by EroChrono

Who cares some professions might not have optimal über PvE builds?
I *nearly* always PvE with H/H, and frankly I don't need to run the most optimal build in order to succeed. Yes, maybe it takes a bit longer, and maybe you do screw up occassionaly. But you set your heroes up with some good builds, and pick whatever is fun to play yourself.
Perhaps my mesmer isn't to most contributing member of the team, but makes the game fun to play.

And thats the thread right there IMO. Noone really cares what IMBA builds are out there to be abused. Either do it yourself, or don't.
Now remember kids, the most IMBA skill out there is avalible to every profession..... thank the dervs for [ursan] [/sarcasim]

[DE] · Jun 26, 2008, 09:09 PM // 21:09

Every Class gets Ursan. I don't see the problem

idicious · Jun 26, 2008, 09:18 PM // 21:18

Rits no overpowered builds made me laugh, try out a Splinter volley build with tripple shot nightmare weap, spirit's strength, I am the strongest and ancestors rage, the dps is probly highest sustaineble in game.

Bryant Again · Jun 26, 2008, 09:22 PM // 21:22

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Originally Posted by EroChrono

Who cares some professions might not have optimal über PvE builds?

Because people don't want to feel like they picked the "wrong class".

Of course, not having "overpowered builds" isn't the only contributed factor to being an outcast. Look at Paragons, I've been denied several pugs because I've apparently been "nerfed to uselessness".

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Originally Posted by [DE]

Every Class gets Ursan. I don't see the problem

Every class may have Ursan, but only one class can make true use of [skill]Signet of Stamina[/skill].

oracle.delphi · Jun 27, 2008, 12:56 AM // 00:56

EVERY proffesions has weakness and strengths everyone can kick ass in the right situation with teh right player and right combo. It's all about knowing your class and skills and using them at the right time. I have seen mesmers absolutly murder things, ive seen warriors killed in one shot...
if you think some profs are under powered it IS beacuse you haven't taken the time to learn them enough

Lady Lozza · Jun 27, 2008, 01:12 AM // 01:12

Ok, we are talking PvE here, where almost any build can succeed if you play it well. And apparently mesmers don't have over-powered builds... I beg to differ. SoI + any spells (especially some of those lovely pve only spells) can create a support build that will roll any area easily. SoI is ridiculously overp-powered. If it weren't for the issue of having only 3 pve only skills on the bar SoI mesmers could easily rival Ursan - with the added advantage of not needed to grind points.

Arcane echo + vanguard assassin support? (both spells)
Cry of pain + any other hex?

And all you have to do is pile your points into two attributes. I've often had people argue that you have to remember to use it, but if it is hotkeyed to the 5th mouse button - for those who have one - mashing it eveynow and then works fine.

cellardweller · Jun 27, 2008, 01:21 AM // 01:21

The real question isn't "why don't all professions have overpowered builds?" but rarther "why do any professions have overpowered builds?"

The Meth · Jun 27, 2008, 01:23 AM // 01:23

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Originally Posted by cellardweller

The real question isn't "why don't all professions have overpowered builds?" but rarther "why do any professions have overpowered builds?"

Took the words straight out of my mouth. Now that its been said, I have the opportunity to make a reply with much more sarcasm, which better fits my character:

PvE has overpowered stuff? Really? Thanks for telling us.

Lady Lozza · Jun 27, 2008, 01:27 AM // 01:27

Well if we are going to take that line of thinking, we might well want to define what "overpowered" is/means, so that the discussion results in an objective analysis of profession builds all on equal footing.

Afterall it is hardly appropriate to compare the SF farm with Ursan.

NoXiFy · Jun 27, 2008, 01:37 AM // 01:37

Hope your kidding.

Warrior: Ursan! Or Hundred Blades or some kind of AoE attack
Ranger: BARRAGE (i hope u joke when u say barrage is underpowered in pve...)
Monk: HB
Elementalist: Nuker! With meteor shower!
Necromancer: MINIONMASTER or SS or SV!
Mesmer: Not that good for Pve... decent for interupts or as a signet mesmer
Assassin: Spiking out high priority targets and powerful elite attacks
Ritualist: healer/support with wanderlust,spirit light weapon, preservation
Dervish: ANY form pretty much
Paragon: "Incoming!" + "Save Yoursleves!" + "Theres Nothing to Fear!" = gg

Savio · Jun 27, 2008, 01:49 AM // 01:49

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Every class may have Ursan, but only one class can make true use of [skill]Signet of Stamina[/skill].

Why would I want to bring an ursan warrior if he's not going to attack?

Some professions don't have the most powerful PvE builds because not every profession can be the most powerful. Contrary to what some posters have said, not everyone can be the best, Ursan excepted.

bj91x · Jun 27, 2008, 02:18 AM // 02:18

All professions have broken builds. While not every class may have a broken build by itself, put a good team build and every class is so broken that you can plow through nearly anything.